Scott VY1CO, Dave K3ZJ and Gerry W1VE have all expressed it correctly.
The Canada-US reciprocal operating treaty authorises Amateurs who are
CITIZENS of one of the two countries to operate while VISITING the other
country.
Yea
The CEPT Amateur Radio Licence T/R 61-01 is similar, authorising Amateurs
licensed in one participating country to operate “during short visits” to
other participating countries. That agreement is silent on citizenship.
The regulations of participating countries may require their citizens or
permanent residents to hold a local licence. Canada’s regulations
certainly do.
The International Amateur Radio Permit (IARP) is similar to the CEPT
agreement. It is valid for less than a dozen countries in North and South
America
You must be physically present in the other country to take advantage of
these arrangements.
NONE of these agreements addressed or even considered remote operating
across borders.
If want to operate a remotely-controlled station In some other country, you
need some other kind of authority. The Treaty, the CEPT agreement and the
IARP do not provide the authority you seek.
In the case of Canada, you need a Canadian Advanced certificate and call
sign to operate a remote in Canada.
So, take up Scott’s invitation and travel to Whitehorse. It’ll be well
worthwhile.
When it comes to getting authority to operate in another country, don’t
just wing it. Show the decency and respect to figure out the rules. You
all know what happens to those who assume.
73,
Dave VE3KG
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On Fri, Sep 12, 2025 at 13:24 Gerry Hull <gerry@remote.radio> wrote:
> To clarify a bit further, David, if you are a citizen of Canada and hold a
> US License, and you are operating a remote station in the US (no RF in
> Canada), you operate freely, as is true for Canadian licensees that are
> operating a remote station in Canada, but are located in the US (No RF in
> USA). The citizenship of the licensee does not matter, as they are
> licensed in the country, and permitted to operate in the country as their
> licensee allows, and not subject to the agreement you refer to.
>
> ARRL has spoken on the this arrangement (if you hold a us license, you can
> operate from anywhere using a US station), and Dave Goodwin, VE3KG, RAC
> liaison to ISED, has spoken about Canadian licensees operating remotely
> from outside the country. Neither the FCC nor ISED, as far as I know, has
> written anything in public about remote operations.
>
> FYI, you cannot take your Canadian test outside of Canada -- but it can be
> done on Zoom. You must cross the border to take it.
>
> From the remote perspective, K1EP/VE9SZ, N3JT/VY1JT, VY2HF/W1PJ,
> K6LA/VY2TT, N5DX/VA1EET are just a few examples of people operating
> remotely from the US into Canada... and me, of course.
>
> We still have a lot of people who are not educated on this matter who
> operate RemoteHams stations thinking that either CEPT or just the
> reciprocal agreement covers them. It does not.
>
> 73,
>
> Gerry Hull, W1VE
> Not a lawyer, but remote operating for more than 12 years, and doing my
> best to follow the straight and narrow.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2025 at 11:08 AM K3ZJ David Siddall <davek3zj@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I would add to Gerry's caution that, unique to Canada, the only proper
>> (legal) way to identify as a reciprocal operator is by your U.S. call sign
>> FOLLOWED by the portable designator. It is "K3ZJ/VY1", not the other way
>> around. (The reciprocal operating agreement predates the international
>> change to putting country designators first.) Also, under the agreement
>> and applicable rules, you MUST be a U.S. citizen to use your FCC license in
>> Canada, and *vice versa*, you MUST be a Canadian citizen to use your
>> Canadian license in the United States. Finally, if you hold a Canadian or
>> U.S. license, you can use ONLY that license in the respective country.
>> (You cannot operate as K3ZJ/VY1 if you hold a Canadian license.)
>>
>> [BTW, these last two also apply to using an FCC license as a reciprocal
>> license under CEPT: you must be a U.S. citizen and not hold a license in
>> the country that you are visiting.]
>>
>> These requirements are explicitly specified in the U.S./Canadian
>> agreement, so doing it this way is not optional. They are the same for
>> Canadian licensees operating in the U.S. See:
>> https://www.rac.ca/operating/canada-united-states-reciprocal-operating-agreement/
>> (Canada);
>>
>> https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-47/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-97/subpart-B/section-97.119#p-97.119(g)
>> and
>> https://www.fcc.gov/wireless/bureau-divisions/mobility-division/amateur-radio-service/reciprocal-operating-arrangements
>> (United
>> States).
>>
>> These limitations are not widely understood in our community, so I offer
>> this in the hope that anyone taking advantage of Scott's generous offer to
>> operate in VY1 avoids DQ afterwards. (IMHO, a warning would be appropriate
>> for an unintentional i.d. infraction, with DQ only for a second offense;
>> the other two requirements go to legal licensing and would be appropriate
>> DQ justification.)
>>
>> 73, Dave K3ZJ
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 12, 2025 at 8:57 AM Gerry Hull <gerry@remote.radio> wrote:
>>
>>> Scott let me do it once. Conplication is you must have a Canadian
>>> Anvanced
>>> Amateur to do that.
>>>
>>> In person, your US license is fine.
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Gerry W1VE/VY1AAA
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2025, 1:54 PM Mike Fatchett W0MU <w0mu@w0mu.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Remote that station and you will have a list a mile long wanting to
>>> > operate!
>>> >
>>> > W0MU
>>> >
>>> > On 9/10/2025 10:35 PM, Scott Sheppard wrote:
>>> > > I am not sure what is permissible on this site with regards to
>>> messages, so
>>> > > I expect if I step out of line, the moderator will delete the
>>> message and I
>>> > > will be struck with a bolt of lightening!...until such time, here is
>>> the
>>> > > pitch:
>>> > > I have recently finished a little Yukon cabin on our 9 acres in
>>> Grizzly
>>> > > Valley and would love to host some guest Ops for sweeps (or maybe
>>> even
>>> > > other contests). Costs would be minimal and you would be well fed
>>> and
>>> > > watered...
>>> > >
>>> > > Antennas are not elaborate by BIG contest station standards, but the
>>> mono
>>> > > band yagis for 15, 20 and 40 hold their own.
>>> > >
>>> > > November is going to be a busy time for me in other ways, and while
>>> I will
>>> > > be around, I can't put in the hours...
>>> > > If you ever wanted to be on the end of a screaming pileup, November
>>> in
>>> > > Yukon is the time.
>>> > >
>>> > > Whitehorse has regular Jet service from Vancouver and Calgary
>>> several times.
>>> > > a day. You are only a 2 hr flight out of Vancouver.
>>> > >
>>> > > Please reach out direct to my QRZ address if interested and we can
>>> provide
>>> > > more clarity.
>>> > >
>>> > > regards
>>> > >
>>> > > Scott
>>>
>>
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