A lot of contested us 80m so, I think it would also help contesters if we
could get the bad language to stop. I am a new contester and
Only compete against my self. But it still fun and I like to help keep the
bands active.
I operate from my cabin on the weekends with no internet so, it would be
bad for me if contesting starts requiring internet interaction.
Chuck, W2CSI
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2025 17:57:28 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: RT Clay <rt_clay@bellsouth.net>
> > To: CQ Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Ham Radio in the Future
> > Message-ID: <1954856853.5564102.1755194248778@mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Actually, there are not as many "radio" contests left these days
> compared
> > to 1993, they ARE going extinct. That is because many no longer have a
> > non-assisted category. Sure, you can
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2025 19:06:46 -0600
> From: Mike Fatchett W0MU <w0mu@w0mu.com>
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Cursing on 80m
> Message-ID: <68f461f4-e83b-4799-87f5-a91861f0a9ba@w0mu.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> What does this have to do with contesting?
>
> On 8/15/2025 11:19 AM, Charles Cassidy wrote:
> > Good afternoon,
> >
> > How can we clean up all the cursing on 80m.
> > I am starting to hear more cursing on 40m.
> > I am afraid this problem with bad language is going to make it harder to
> > get new people into amateur radio. Any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chuck, W2CSI
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 15, 2025 at 12:14?PM <cq-contest-request@contesting.com>
> wrote:
> >
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> >>
> >> 1. Re: Ham Radio in the Future (Doug Grant)
> >> 2. Re: Ham Radio in the Future (Bruce Horn)
> >> 3. Re: Ham Radio in the Future (Victor A)
> >> 4. Kansas City Keyer (Rene K5JX)
> >> 5. Re: Ham Radio in the Future (RT Clay)
> >> 6. Re: Ham Radio in the Future (john@kk9a.com)
> >> 7. WRTC 2026 reflector (Lee Volante)
> >> 8. Re: Ham Radio in the Future (Stan Zawrotny)
> >> 9. Re: Ham Radio in the Future (Jim Brown)
> >> 10. Re: Ham Radio in the Future (Tim Shoppa)
> >> 11. Re: Ham Radio in the Future (Steve IK4WMH)
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2025 17:33:22 +0000
> >> From: Doug Grant <dougk1dg@gmail.com>
> >> To: CQ Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Ham Radio in the Future
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <
> >> CAFrbnByCEMKFOrgy-MKC9g8sGTHAhFdYm2gyvJAT34w-ZccvXg@mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >>
> >> This discussion about the future reminded me of a piece I wrote back in
> >> 1993
> >> <
> >>
> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/az2n7qtgr1ll21dcg9rxy/Reflections-on-the-2005-CQWWW-Contest.pdf?rlkey=9n02x4b4b8v8235hc2fkjfz0u&st=6fbusa61&dl=0
> >> .
> >>
> >> I thought that contests conducted by radio transmission would have gone
> >> extinct by 2005, but here we are in 2025, still dancing with the
> >> ionosphere.
> >>
> >> Anyway, while we are thinking about the future, maybe this will be
> >> entertaining.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Doug K1DG
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2025 08:54:18 -0500 (CDT)
> >> From: Bruce Horn <bhorn@hornucopia.com>
> >> To: cq-contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Ham Radio in the Future
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <
> 1037713813.32286009.1755179658799.JavaMail.zimbra@hornucopia.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >>
> >> For CWACs, you want to be able to leverage the log adjudication process
> of
> >> the primary contest sponsor. Otherwise, there won't be consistency
> across
> >> the CWACs based on a contest as to what was considered to be a valid
> QSO.
> >> The main contest sponsor would need to be willing to share a dataset of
> >> valid QSOs that could be then rescored. Currently, the shared public
> logs
> >> contain all QSOs, whether they were determined to be valid or not.
> >>
> >> 73 de Bruce, WA7BNM (bhorn@hornucopia.com)
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Joe" <nss@mwt.net>
> >> To: "cq-contest" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2025 7:21:18 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Ham Radio in the Future
> >>
> >> But then think of like Plaque sponsors.
> >>
> >> A club sponsors an overlay. And anyone that is chasing or entering in
> >> that overlay sends their log to the sponsoring of the overlay group.
> >>
> >> This way you have the overlay and no extra work for the main contest
> >> organizers.
> >>
> >> Joe WB9SBD
> >>
> >> On 8/13/2025 2:52 PM, Ward Silver wrote:
> >>> CWACs (Contests Within A Contest) could be more popular if there were
> >>> better ways of reporting the results. We have some overlays - that's a
> >>> step in the right direction. Adding more work for the sponsors is
> >> probably
> >>> a non-starter at this point, though.
> >>> 73, Ward N0AX
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 11:07?AM <cq-contest-request@contesting.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2025 11:52:12 +0000
> >>>> From: Randy Thompson <k5zd@outlook.com>
> >>>> To: Mike Fatchett W0MU <w0mu@w0mu.com>
> >>>> Cc: "cq-contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Ham Radio in the Future
> >>>> Message-ID:
> >>>> <
> >>>>
> >>
> IA3P223MB176800D16A16B745C42CE63B9C2AA@IA3P223MB1768.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM
> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>>>
> >>>> The things you are proposing could easily be layered over an existing
> >>>> contest. Have at it and let?s see how it works.
> >>>>
> >>>> Randy K5ZD
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Aug 13, 2025, at 3:20?AM, Mike Fatchett W0MU <w0mu@w0mu.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ?Event...Like the 1st one to work W1AAA gets bonus points......The
> 1st
> >>>> to 50 contacts gets..... the 1st to 50 mults..... bonus for low
> power.
> >>>> Just a few off the top of my head. Team play where the team that
> does X
> >>>> 1st or has the cleanest log gets more points. The options are
> endless.
> >>>>> This will not be a game for the old guard or a contest for the old
> >>>> guard. People in general dislike change from the norm, old people are
> >> even
> >>>> worse. It will take a while and some probably will need to pass on
> >> before
> >>>> major changes will happen.
> >>>>> W0MU
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> CQ-Contest mailing list
> >>> CQ-Contest@contesting.com
> >>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> CQ-Contest mailing list
> >> CQ-Contest@contesting.com
> >> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 3
> >> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2025 11:08:15 -0400
> >> From: Victor A <va2wdq@gmail.com>
> >> To: Ward Silver <hwardsil@gmail.com>
> >> Cc: CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Ham Radio in the Future
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <CABnbdfHBUottssx29juh3hE+qv91VHbURdmfs=
> >> pcF8GZVW1Asg@mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >>
> >> *Hi Ward,*
> >>
> >> Great overview of some existing apps! Since you mentioned the future,
> let?s
> >> start by looking at what we already have in place.
> >>
> >> *1. Node-RED Dashboard Integration / COSB Contest data API.*
> >> As you mentioned, Ward, the Node-RED dashboard is a great tool. At COSB
> (
> >> https://contestonlinescore.com/), we collaborated with Kyle AA0Z and
> >> Connor
> >> KD9LSV, providing contest data via a special API we developed for the
> >> Node-RED Contest Dashboard. Unfortunately, I haven?t heard any updates
> from
> >> them since 2023?hopefully, all is well on their end.
> >>
> >> The best outcome from that collaboration is that we began offering
> online
> >> scoring data for third-party use. This is exactly what Gerry, W1VE,
> >> referred to?massive, real-time analysis of incoming contest data, ready
> to
> >> be put to work. If you?re interested, just contact us.
> >>
> >> *2. ?Contest Within a Contest? Concept*
> >> This idea is also ready to go. We?ve had preliminary discussions with
> some
> >> of the CQWW team about running the Real-Time Contest (RTC) service in
> >> parallel with CQ WW, using different time categories to make
> participation
> >> more affordable for part-time operators.
> >>
> >> Since the RTC service at HAMSCORE (https://hamscore.com/) collects all
> >> participants? logs, this would be a true adjudicated contest?and we?re
> even
> >> considering real trophies (sponsors welcome!). Naturally, log-check data
> >> would only be revealed after the official CQWW log submission deadline.
> >>
> >> You can get involved right now! Our first RTC parallel test will take
> place
> >> during the CWOps Open this September.
> >>
> >> *3. The Future is Here: Real-Time Contesting*
> >> With RTC, full contest results are available within minutes after the
> event
> >> ends. If you want to see the ?future? of contesting?it?s already here.
> >>
> >> Join our weekly RTC mini-contests: CWT, K1USN, ICWC-MST, and Weekly
> RTTY.
> >> It?s the real taste of real fun! )) You can find more details here:
> >>
> >>
> https://blog.contestonlinescore.com/real-time-contesting-rtc-is-our-new-project/
> >>
> >> If you?re interested in new contesting technology and want to help with
> >> testing and development, join our discussion group:
> >> https://groups.io/g/RTC-HAMSCORE
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Victor, VA2WA
> >> https://contestonlinescore.com Team
> >> RTC Group / HAMSCORE.com
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 4
> >> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2025 12:51:47 -0500
> >> From: Rene K5JX <k5jx@earthlink.net>
> >> To: CQ-Contest@contesting.com
> >> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Kansas City Keyer
> >> Message-ID: <8dcf8280-bd4e-4672-89b3-0d6c0732a165@earthlink.net>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> >>
> >> I received a .pdf copy of the manual last night. *Many thanks to Ed
> AJ6V!*
> >>
> >> 73.
> >> Rene K5JX
> >>
> >> On 08/13/2025 11:33 PM GMT Rene K5JX<k5jx@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Greetings!
> >>
> >> I realize this may be a shot in the dark, but I'll ask anyway. Some
> >> years ago, I "inherited" a Lance Johnson Engineering Kansas City Keyer,
> >> without the paddle pushbuttons or the manual, from my friend Ken K5TSQ
> >> (SK).
> >>
> >> I've searched high and low on the web but have had no luck finding a
> >> copy of the manual. Would anyone happen to have a .pdf copy of it you
> >> might be able to email to me?
> >>
> >> Thanks very much.
> >>
> >> Vy 73.
> >> Rene K5JX
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 5
> >> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2025 17:57:28 +0000 (UTC)
> >> From: RT Clay <rt_clay@bellsouth.net>
> >> To: CQ Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Ham Radio in the Future
> >> Message-ID: <1954856853.5564102.1755194248778@mail.yahoo.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>
> >> Actually, there are not as many "radio" contests left these days
> compared
> >> to 1993, they ARE going extinct. That is because many no longer have a
> >> non-assisted category. Sure, you can operate using just radio and no
> >> internet, but only at a serious disadvantage.
> >> Tor N4OGW
> >> On Thursday, August 14, 2025 at 12:33:55 PM CDT, Doug Grant <
> >> dougk1dg@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> This discussion about the future reminded me of a piece I wrote back
> in
> >> 1993
> >> <
> >>
> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/az2n7qtgr1ll21dcg9rxy/Reflections-on-the-2005-CQWWW-Contest.pdf?rlkey=9n02x4b4b8v8235hc2fkjfz0u&st=6fbusa61&dl=0
> >> .
> >>
> >> I thought that contests conducted by radio transmission would have gone
> >> extinct by 2005, but here we are in 2025, still dancing with the
> >> ionosphere.
> >>
> >> Anyway, while we are thinking about the future, maybe this will be
> >> entertaining.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Doug K1DG
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> CQ-Contest mailing list
> >> CQ-Contest@contesting.com
> >> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 6
> >> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2025 14:15:12 -0400
> >> From: <john@kk9a.com>
> >> To: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Ham Radio in the Future
> >> Message-ID: <000901dc0d47$60f2b470$22d81d50$@kk9a.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >>
> >> Contest activity does not appear to be declining!
> >> https://cqww.com/stats.htm
> >>
> >> John KK9A
> >>
> >>
> >> Doug Grant K1DG wrote:
> >>
> >> This discussion about the future reminded me of a piece I wrote back in
> >> 1993
> >> <
> >>
> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/az2n7qtgr1ll21dcg9rxy/Reflections-on-the-200
> >> 5-CQWWW-Contest.pdf?rlkey=9n02x4b4b8v8235hc2fkjfz0u&st=6fbusa61&dl=0
> >> <
> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/az2n7qtgr1ll21dcg9rxy/Reflections-on-the-2005-CQWWW-Contest.pdf?rlkey=9n02x4b4b8v8235hc2fkjfz0u&st=6fbusa61&dl=0
> >
> >> .
> >>
> >> I thought that contests conducted by radio transmission would have gone
> >> extinct by 2005, but here we are in 2025, still dancing with the
> >> ionosphere.
> >>
> >> Anyway, while we are thinking about the future, maybe this will be
> >> entertaining.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Doug K1DG
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 7
> >> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2025 20:36:19 +0100
> >> From: Lee Volante <g0mtn1@gmail.com>
> >> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> >> Subject: [CQ-Contest] WRTC 2026 reflector
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <CAA-DrXRM+5Pc9ZwTdSQKxgJNsMneS+vH=
> >> 6CJRF5_D4RSxxA7qg@mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> As we've only 11 months until WRTC 2026 next July in the UK, here's a
> >> reminder for anyone that might be interested in following the news and
> >> progress on how to join the public discussion email reflector.
> >>
> >> Please visit https://groups.io/g/wrtc2026-discuss to subscribe to
> >> individual emails, a digest, or instead choose to browse messages
> online as
> >> you wish.
> >>
> >> It's a busy time for the project overall with the qualification
> programme
> >> just completed, the Team Leader and Team Mate selection about to get
> >> underway, and from there Referee selection and much more.
> >>
> >> Thanks to everyone for their support and interest so far which is
> >> much appreciated by the organising team.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Lee G0MTN
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 8
> >> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2025 16:42:22 -0400
> >> From: Stan Zawrotny <k4sbz.stan@gmail.com>
> >> To: Gerry Hull <gerry@remote.radio>
> >> Cc: David Gilbert <ab7echo@gmail.com>, cq-contest@contesting.com
> >> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Ham Radio in the Future
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <CAPPCcb65Un0WgP5wfN-Aa8EQC4gwHzvtQSwJ=
> >> D0ZLMC3styBGg@mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >>
> >> We need to consider the contest and also possible contests within the
> >> contest as different levels of focus. I found the video about what AA0Z
> has
> >> done with NodeRed very interesting. Ward Silver mentioned it.
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OwMKKwDk_w
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> __________
> >> Stan, K4SBZ
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 8:04?PM Gerry Hull <gerry@remote.radio> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I've had an oar in the pond in all this for quite a period of time.
> >>>
> >>> I was the inventor of the first online live scoreboard, getscores.org.
> >>> That was way back in
> >>> 2006, 19 years ago. See
> >>> https://web.archive.org/web/20071111194139/http://www.getscores.org/
> for
> >>> some nostalgia.
> >>> It seems it has caught on quite well, thanks to VA2WA and the guys at
> >>> contestonlinescore.com.
> >>>
> >>> For the longest time, it was sheer blasphamy to share your score with
> >>> others. For some, it still is.
> >>> However, for the majority of us, it has enhanced our hobby tremendously
> >> --
> >>> at least for us that enjoy competitive contesting.
> >>>
> >>> Bruce, WA7BNM's 3830scores.com site has become the defacto results
> >>> reporting system. Why? Because it is very old news
> >>> getting results months (or even in some cases, weeks) after the event.
> >>> Anyone who creates a bogus 3830 score is not a valid competitor --
> >>> and at the competition levels where the score really matters -- it
> might
> >>> change a few percent from claimed after adjudication.
> >>>
> >>> So -- we talk about live scoring. There has been a team working on a
> >>> version of live scoring for some time -- they have had slight
> >>> progress, but none in any way I would term significant. Why is this?
> >>> It's not that they haven't put in significant effort, that is for sure.
> >>> I believe the focus is on the wrong problem: don't try and solve
> realtime
> >>> score adjudication -- enhance real-time reporting with
> >>> live updates and eye-candy UI that will bring in new audiences. Score
> >>> adjudication is perfect where it's been IMHO -- the people
> >>> who do it for the big contests have been doing it for years, do it
> well,
> >>> and don't want big changes. I get that. For smaller contests,
> >>> 3830 is the norm.
> >>>
> >>> We can overlay lots of stuff on existing contests. We can create
> >> contests
> >>> within contests. Who had the best opening band rate to
> >>> EU from NA? Who is doing better hour-by-hour in CQWW vs their score
> last
> >>> year. Right now, all the live stuff is simply presented
> >>> as tabular data. That is so 20th century. If you look at the many
> >>> graphical sites supporting POTA, you'll see a lot of eye candy that
> >>> is exciting. Right now, POTA is the hottest thing since sliced bread!
> >>>
> >>> So -- what do we do? I backed away from helping the current live
> >> scoring
> >>> project, because I did not buy into it's vision.
> >>> Today, all the data generated by a CQWW, for example, is really TRIVIAL
> >> to
> >>> the data processing capabilites of the internet and
> >>> cloud platforms. However, the problem needs to envisioned with a
> >> solution
> >>> that fits a different purpose.
> >>>
> >>> Ward, W0AX presented a vision of this a decade (or what it two) ago.
> >>> Nothing really became of it.
> >>> Perhaps we partner with some smart Internet contesters who have a flare
> >> for
> >>> real time graphics and come up with some
> >>> compelling content. This should not ruffle the feathers of the the
> most
> >>> strident radio luddite. The internet has been providing
> >>> data about radio (specifically ham radio) since it's inception.
> >>>
> >>> Yep, everyone can shoot holes at this idea. That's what people do.
> >>> However, as many have said, we are losing more and more
> >>> contesters every day. At some point, there will be many fewer to
> work.
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>>
> >>> Gerry W1VE VE1RM ZF2VE 7Q2T
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2025 at 1:41?AM David Gilbert <ab7echo@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> A friend of mine (Bob, K7ZB) just sent me a link to a recent video
> >>>> interview of Tom, W2SC (aka 8P5A) done by W1DED. In addition to
> >>>> descriptions of his station and approach to contesting, Tom
> speculates
> >>>> on where ham radio and contesting in particular might go in the
> future.
> >>>> He pointed out that whatever happens will most likely be determined by
> >> a
> >>>> younger generation that isn't bound by what ham radio is to those of
> us
> >>>> who have been at it for a while.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck-RMIyjSfI
> >>>>
> >>>> His view of the future is very interesting, and I agree that if ham
> >>>> radio survives to any significant extent it will have to change ...
> and
> >>>> it will likely be changed by a younger generation that comes up with a
> >>>> way to adapt ham radio to something that is more interesting to them.
> >>>>
> >>>> Personally, I've always thought that contesting should figure out how
> >> to
> >>>> become more like an online video game:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. Integrated computer graphics that display participants on a
> playing
> >>>> field ... Earth or maybe even some simulated world. You could zoom in
> >>>> or zoom out, but the part of the world available to be seen on your
> >>>> screen could be determined by the real time propagation at that
> moment.
> >>>> To make a contact you'd have to zoom in far enough to see the station
> >>>> you're trying to contact, and the display would show their current
> >>>> frequency. Real time propagation could be derived from actual
> contacts
> >>>> being made if everyone's computer was connected to a common server ...
> >>>> just like is done with video games. And before anyone says that real
> >>>> time internet connectivity is an issue, keep in mind that it isn't at
> >>>> all problem for the demographic we'd be trying to reach.
> >>>>
> >>>> 2. Multiplayer .... where every participant shows up on the screen at
> >>>> their actual (or simulated) QTH.
> >>>>
> >>>> 3. ACTUAL COMPETITION! Instead of just trying to make the most
> >>>> contacts and finding out at the end how you did, make each contact
> some
> >>>> sort of competition that gets displayed on the screen ... and have
> some
> >>>> way of preventing others from making a contact. How that happens
> would
> >>>> depend upon the context of the particular game, just like there are
> >>>> different video games. But the idea would be to contest each contact
> >> in
> >>>> some manner that requires either an offensive action or a defensive
> >> one.
> >>>> 4. "Contacts" (whatever the game required for a point) would still
> >>>> purely come via RF ... station to station. The video display and
> >>>> central server would only provide the environment for making the
> >>>> contacts, albeit a hopefully more elaborate and richer environment
> than
> >>>> whatever we currently picture in our minds while making contacts now.
> >>>>
> >>>> Some people might say that this is actually no different than a video
> >>>> game and that video games have the advantage of a level playing field
> >>>> since most computers don't hinder your play. And that's precisely why
> >> I
> >>>> think a ham radio version might be more interesting. Propagation,
> >>>> antennas, choice of times and bands would all make the game more
> >> complex
> >>>> than the typical online video game. The play style would be enriched
> by
> >>>> the variables of ham radio and the technical side of the hobby would
> be
> >>>> retained.
> >>>>
> >>>> The biggest problem I see with something like this is getting the
> >>>> programming done. Successful video games can take years and lots of
> >>>> money to develop, although there are games like Valheim that didn't
> ...
> >>>> at least not by comparison. However, I strongly suspect that it won't
> >>>> be too long before AI could do something like this, or at least most
> of
> >>>> it. We wouldn't need the complexity of a top tier video game, and
> >>>> graphics engines are becoming increasingly accessible for simple
> >>>> environments. Station wise, I don't think it would be any different
> >>>> than it is now to use a logger for rig control and score tracking ...
> >>>> just different software.
> >>>>
> >>>> I realize that the actual game mechanics are missing here. That's
> >>>> because I'm not smart enough to come up with the specifics. But I am
> >>>> convinced that something like this could be done ... it's really just
> a
> >>>> simple visual interface with an RF connection for the points instead
> of
> >>>> data packets. The number of made contacts would be MUCH fewer than it
> >>>> is now for a typical contest, but each contact could potentially
> >> require
> >>>> more thought and focus. Think in terms of catching fish instead of
> >>>> hammering out CQ's.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>
> >>>> Dave
> >>>>
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> >>
> >> Message: 9
> >> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2025 13:49:35 -0700
> >> From: Jim Brown <k9yc@audiosystemsgroup.com>
> >> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> >> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Ham Radio in the Future
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <9910a5e5-406b-4650-9570-9a7f8fddc610@audiosystemsgroup.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> >>
> >> On 8/13/2025 12:47 PM, Gerry Hull wrote:
> >>> Who had the best opening band rate to
> >>> EU from NA?
> >> The structure of contest rules and scoring that makes this the defining
> >> property of so many contests is what's wrong with contesting! Until this
> >> changes, DRASTICALLY, all of these otherwise very interesting
> >> suggestions are just pissing in the wind.
> >>
> >> 73, Jim K9YC
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 10
> >> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2025 18:20:43 -0400
> >> From: Tim Shoppa <tshoppa@gmail.com>
> >> To: CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest@contesting.com>,
> >> ab7echo@gmail.com
> >> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Ham Radio in the Future
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <
> >> CAJ_qRva2wtTnmA2vZ1xF2UmoJ5dcsoY4M_yiMpQVs1B6FNeXsQ@mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >>
> >> AB7E writes:
> >>> Instead of tuning around looking for stations, imagine a visual
> >>> interface representing a colorful, fairly detailed, immersive world
> that
> >>> we had to physically explore to find other operators.
> >> IMHO a SDR waterfall already is a colorful detailed immersive world
> showing
> >> me signals that might be workable. Or even better an empty spot that'll
> be
> >> my new run freq.
> >>
> >> Combine the spectrum with spots, RBN, or other info if going assisted to
> >> get even more labeled visual and colorful interface. Or go it alone and
> use
> >> your eyes and ears to determine where to tune and listen.
> >>
> >> I can look at the past 20 seconds or so and see that some stations are
> in
> >> CQ loops with no callers and see other stations have crazy huge
> pileups. So
> >> I can see not just the guy I want to work but if I'll see my competition
> >> too.
> >>
> >> Given the turnaround time of modern contesting (just a few seconds) it's
> >> already very engaging and interactive to contest this way.
> >>
> >> I think modern RTTY contesting (with several weapons-grade decoders with
> >> advanced tuning and waterfall displays of their own) is similarly
> engaging.
> >>
> >> Tim N3QE
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 11
> >> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2025 10:22:25 +0200
> >> From: Steve IK4WMH <ik4wmh@virgilio.it>
> >> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> >> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Ham Radio in the Future
> >> Message-ID: <1410501505.20250815102225@virgilio.it>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>
> >>
> >> I've read about gaming, computer graphics, dashboards, immersive
> >> worlds, real time contests and other fancy things.
> >>
> >> They appear to me far too FT8ish.
> >>
> >> I hope no contest committee will make them compulsory.
> >>
> >>
> >> Just my 3 cents (used to be 2 cents, blame the tariffs).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 73 es gl
> >>
> >> Steve IK4WMH
> >>
> >>
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