Hi Alan - We appreciate your concern for the RBN but not to worry.  Our 
network consists of some 200 individual contributors using Aggregator 
software to send their spots to our server, which then makes their spots 
available to "retail" clusters through Telnet.  Self-spots won't get 
into the RBN, but they may challenge the ability of "retail" cluster 
software to filter out duplicate spots.
73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
web server at<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.
On 2/17/2022 6:51 PM, Alan Higbie wrote:
 
Will those stations permitted to self-spot start using automatic posting
applications?  How often would they post?
Will the Reverse Beacon Network be able to handle the additional spots?
Will the RBN devise a filter to reduce the self-spotting traffic?  Would
such filtering be considered ‘unfair’ to the self-spotters?
And, what is the point of spotting yourself if you haven’t been heard and
spotted by any of the multitude of skimmer linked to the system? If none of
those have received your signal - what advantage is there to posting
yourself?
~ Alan K0AV
On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 4:26 PM wa1fcn<wa1fcn@charter.net>  wrote:
 
GA Sterling
              I'm confused  what do you mean  " Traditional " ham radio
contesting is going nowhere
          anytime soon "  ?  Can you explain ?
              BoB WA1FCN
On 2/17/2022 9:18 AM, Sterling Mann wrote:
I could see that being a hackathon now, and a competitive computing
 
 
contest
 
in the 2030s, but by the time that's really a thing, I don't think many
 
 
on
 
this list will mind.
"Traditional" ham radio contesting is going nowhere anytime soon, but
 
 
it's
 
also getting us nowhere if we don't evolve.
-Sterling
On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 7:14 PM Doug Renwick<ve5ra@sasktel.net>   wrote:
 
Yes let's take another step further.
The contest station will be operator free. An AI computer will be
 
 
 
reading
 
and transmitting the contacts, turning the antennas, selecting the
frequency, even turning the power on at beginning and off at the end. So
you
know where this rule change is heading.
Doug
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Of
 
Sterling Mann
Sent: February-16-22 3:43 PM
To:CQ-Contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL to allow self-spotting in contests
Let's take it a step further...
* epic sports intro music plays *
And we are live at the K3LR super station, here on ESPN FiveNine - Your
HOME for RadioSport, where everybody is Five and Nine. We're just
 
 
 
minutes
 
away from kicking off 2032's Worldwide DX Slam, and we already have 9 -
countem, NINE - ops on frequency already warming up the bands. I think
 
 
 
we
 
got a big game ahead, last year's rival is putting up a bigger fight -
 
 
 
K9CT
 
just put up 3 new towers on their farm, but their ops are sitting pretty
from the comfort of their laz-e-boys and couches tied in over Starlink,
 
 
 
so
 
it's the perfect storm, butting the Butts in Chairs with the Work from
Homers against each other. Tim, what are we gonna be seeing today?
Well Fred, this is a young crop of contesters, so you'll be they'll be
 
 
 
up
 
all night working well into Japan and Australia on 160m with that new
OctaVert they've been playin with, and just checked last night, looks
 
 
 
like
 
we got 37,000 VK and JA listed on the regs tonight so it'll be like
shooting fish in a barrel in the graveyard shift assuming they can keep
their rates up and their frequencies busy. That'll be really key, coming
into the sunspot minimums, as the high bands just aren't going to keep
 
 
 
it
 
up despite HAARP-II cooking the ionosphere last week for the
Lets-Make-10m-work-again contest. Man you could feel the heat, and you
 
 
 
can
 
feel it here too. We also expect big things out of the rookie, Maci
Maxwell. She has just been blowing up the scoreboards on nightly sprints
but now she's eating at the big kids table, so pressure's on but I think
she's got it in the bag - we'll really see her shine on the greyline.
 
 
 
And
 
can't forget about that wild metamaterial iono-georesonant phased array
 
 
 
at
 
4O3A causing a storm in the radiosport meta, that is going to be a
 
 
 
thorn in
 
everyone's side. Definitely going to be a big thing to keep an eye on in
the top five, and certainly be a hard battle for first place unlimited,
 
 
 
but
 
you will see it here on ESPN FiveNine. Back to you Fred.
Thanks Tim. For those playing at home, it's time to put on those FlexVR
headsets for a new immersive experience brought to you by DX
 
 
 
Engineering -
 
bringing the DX to the METAVERSE - it's DXaVERSE. Watch real-time stats
 
 
 
and
 
scores, hear stations in full 360 audio with the all new NeuralDSP audio
engine, and SEE the DX coming from the skies so you always know where to
spin the dial and spin your beam to always be on top.
***
I long for the day that RadioSportscaster is an actual job, but I think
we've got a long way to go :-P
-Sterling N0SSC
Hi Randy:
 
Allowing self-spotting might not have had much of an impact.  Allowing
 
 
chat rooms and other non-amateur radio platforms will have a huge
 
 
 
impact.
 
Competitive assisted single operators and Multi-ops will have social
 
 
 
media
 
coordinators.  Unless a very carefully crafted rule is written, Single
Operator Assisted operators can have additional people helping with
 
 
 
social
 
media.
 
Live streaming offers the ability to confirm QSOs in real-time.  The
 
 
video/audio feeds will quickly be augmented by machine-readable data for
that confirmation - and real-time QSLing!  This effectively eliminates
 
 
 
the
 
rules against confirming QSOs during contests by non-amateur radio
 
 
 
means.
 
Many QSOs will now be arranged via social media or dedicated apps.  It
 
 
will be interesting to see if stations still need to hold run
 
 
 
frequencies
 
in
a few years when the scheduling apps can just access their current
frequency
in real-time and it becomes sort of like a sprint.  I hope so -
 
 
 
otherwise,
 
the single operators won't even be able to work the serious
assisted/multi-op stations.
 
73,
Mark, KD4D
 
* On 02/16/2022 7:23 AM Randy Thompson <k5zd at outlook.com
 
 
 
<http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest>> wrote:
 
*> >  >* From the ARRL Contest Update today:
*> >* "New Rules in effect for all ARRL HF Contests in June
*>* Starting with the ARRL International Digital Contest, in all
 
 
categories that allow assistance (Unlimited), the use of online and
 
 
 
other
 
non-amateur radio platforms including but not limited to social media,
 
 
 
live
 
video streaming, and internet chat rooms will be allowed. In all
 
 
 
Unlimited
 
and Multioperator categories, the prohibition of self-spotting, and
 
 
 
asking
 
another station to spot you, will also be removed."
 
*> >* Wow.  It was one thing for the VHF contests to allow use of chat
 
 
rooms and telephone calls, now this is extended to all HF contests. It
should be interesting to see what unintended consequences result from
allowing multi-ops and assisted competitors to spot themselves. You
 
 
 
could
 
spot yourself with every CQ if you wanted to. Or you can call people on
 
 
 
the
 
phone and ask them to get on the air. Or send out email reminders to
 
 
 
work
 
you during the contest.
 
*> >* It is likely to have the most impact on SSB to produce spotting
 
 
equal to what the RBN does for CW and RTTY.
 
*> >* For an organization that has always been so timid and
 
 
 
 
conservative
 
on rule changes, the ARRL seems to have sprung this one without much
consultation with the contest community.  I assume it is in reaction to
 
 
 
the
 
W2RE incident several years ago in ARRL DX where he used live streaming
 
 
 
on
 
Facebook during the contest.
 
*> > >* Randy K5ZD
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