Well, just to keep this thread going; In the case of UPS, I was told at our
local (Pinellas Park, FL) UPS distribution center that an item must be
packaged securely enough that it will with stand a fall of several feet from
a UPS conveyor system. Also any labels such as "This End Up, Do not Roll,
etc." can not be applied to packages. On the other hand, I have never had
any problems with UPS paying off on insurance claims, even where the
documentation of value might be open to interpretation as the item was an
antique crystal chandelier.
David C. Hallam
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From: amps-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com]On
Behalf Of Gary Smith
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 9:33 PM
To: Amps List
Subject: [Amps] Fw: failure notice
Hi Perry and all.
I never have had the need to use Craters & Freighters, ran into the
local guy who has the C & F franchise. He told me it's his job to make the
box to so the item can be handled in a safe and as damage free as can be
accomplished. Went on to state he starts off with a 4'x8' sheet of plywood,
2"x 4"s, 1"x 4"s and goes on from there.
`Spose the insurance (if it were to go FedEx freight service would be
on cost level comparable to what they usually charge. I have read on this
forum that some have had bad luck with FedEx, but I have not. However, I
travel DIRECTLY to the FedEx shipping facility, not to any of the store
front drop off points.
Imo, it's well worth the trip to go directly to the shipment receiver,
not so much cost wise as it is to let them see, hear and understand the
value of your item they are about to handle.
Gary... wa6fgi
----- Original Message -----
From: Perry W. Remaklus
To: Gary Smith
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 9:04 AM
Subject: RE: [Amps] Alpha Service Redux
Hello Gary,
What insurance coverage were you able to get for these shipments?
Perry W1COW
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Smith [mailto:wa6fgi@sbcglobal.net]=20
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 11:58 AM
To: Amps@Contesting.com; Harold B. Mandel
Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha Service Redux
I have info on the local Craters and Freighters guy in =
northern/central
cal/northern Nevada should anyone need such. they do very nice work
getting it the way *you* want it to be
73,
Gary... wa6fgi
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Harold B. Mandel=20
To: Amps@Contesting.com=20
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha Service Redux
In reading some of the recent posts about new
shipping woes, some of the new developments
in equipment-shlepping bear discussion:
Many of you remember how both FedEx Express=20
and UPS separately destroyed two of my amplifiers
last year, and the resultant tales of woe regarding the
Claims process.
Since then, I've had to ship other equipment, but this
time with different carriers and different preparation,
which then proved successful.
Firstly, ordinary handling (e.g., UPS/FedEx Exp/ USPS)
is completely disregarded. This leaves the trucking
industry, with its LTL (Less-Than-Full-Load) freight
handling abilities.
Secondly, the equipment is crated with 3/4" plywood,
seams glued and wood-screwed, with 1" X 3"=20
firring strips on all edges, they themselves glued
and wood-screwed. On the bottom of the crates are
4" x 4" beams with a minimum of 24" space between
inner surfaces. This way a 24" pallet jack can accommodate
their movement. The crates are lined with two different=20
types of resilient material, and the equipment is wrapped
in two layers of sheet plastic inside the resilient cradle.
On the average, a crate minus the gear weighs in just
under 100 pounds, but with a five to ten thousand dollar
amplifier what's the big deal?
I ship under Freight Class 100, (Label: "Mechanism")
and tell the carriers it's okay to stack on top.=20
The 3/4" reinforced crate will probably have
cardboard boxes on it, and it will probably rate its own pallet.
Cross country is two days, and my latest shipment is=20
235 pounds, 14 cubic feet and costs $172.00. This is
with FedEx Freight. Similar shipments have gone with
Yellow Freight and Overnight Express Freight, all
without any damage.
There's a business called Craters and Freighters for those
of you who do not have woodshop capabilities. They can
build and pad a crate for any size of equipment. =20
It's clear that UPS/FedEx Exp/USPS cannot or will not
cater to the requirements of people needing to ship
delicate apparatus. The competition is by Motor
Freight companies. As long as the items are packed
in a manner suitable to their environment they succeed
in quality and timeliness where others clearly drop
the ball.
Respectfully,
Hal Mandel
W4HBM
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Microsoft Sans Serif"> Imo, it's =
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Microsoft Sans Serif">Gary... wa6fgi</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=3Dperry@willbell.com href=3D"mailto:perry@willbell.com";>Perry =
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Remaklus</A> </DIV>
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Redux</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Hello Gary,<BR><BR>What insurance coverage were you =
able to get=20
for these shipments?<BR><BR>Perry W1COW<BR><BR><BR>-----Original=20
Message-----<BR>From: Gary Smith [mailto:wa6fgi@sbcglobal.net] =
<BR>Sent:=20
Sunday, June 19, 2005 11:58 AM<BR>To: <A=20
href=3D"mailto:Amps@Contesting.com";>Amps@Contesting.com</A>; Harold B. =
Mandel<BR>Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha Service Redux<BR><BR>I have info =
on the=20
local Craters and Freighters guy in northern/central<BR>cal/northern =
Nevada=20
should anyone need such. they do very nice work<BR>getting it the way =
*you*=20
want it to be<BR>73,<BR>Gary... wa6fgi<BR> ----- Original =
Message -----=20
<BR> From: Harold B. Mandel <BR> To: <A=20
href=3D"mailto:Amps@Contesting.com";>Amps@Contesting.com</A> <BR> =
Sent:=20
Sunday, June 19, 2005 6:27 AM<BR> Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha =
Service=20
Redux<BR><BR><BR> In reading some of the recent posts about=20
new<BR> shipping woes, some of the new developments<BR> in =
equipment-shlepping bear discussion:<BR><BR> Many of you =
remember how=20
both FedEx Express <BR> and UPS separately destroyed two of my=20
amplifiers<BR> last year, and the resultant tales of woe =
regarding=20
the<BR> Claims process.<BR><BR> Since then, I've had to =
ship other=20
equipment, but this<BR> time with different carriers and =
different=20
preparation,<BR> which then proved successful.<BR><BR> =
Firstly,=20
ordinary handling (e.g., UPS/FedEx Exp/ USPS)<BR> is completely=20
disregarded. This leaves the trucking<BR> industry, with =
its LTL=20
(Less-Than-Full-Load) freight<BR> handling =
abilities.<BR><BR> =20
Secondly, the equipment is crated with 3/4" plywood,<BR> seams =
glued and=20
wood-screwed, with 1" X 3" <BR> firring strips on all edges, =
they=20
themselves glued<BR> and wood-screwed. On the bottom of the =
crates=20
are<BR> 4" x 4" beams with a minimum of 24" space =
between<BR> =20
inner surfaces. This way a 24" pallet jack can accommodate<BR> =
their=20
movement. The crates are lined with two different <BR> =
types of=20
resilient material, and the equipment is wrapped<BR> in two =
layers of=20
sheet plastic inside the resilient cradle.<BR><BR> On the =
average, a=20
crate minus the gear weighs in just<BR> under 100 pounds, but =
with a=20
five to ten thousand dollar<BR> amplifier what's the big=20
deal?<BR><BR> I ship under Freight Class 100, (Label:=20
"Mechanism")<BR> and tell the carriers it's okay to stack on =
top.=20
<BR> The 3/4" reinforced crate will probably have<BR> =
cardboard=20
boxes on it, and it will probably rate its own pallet.<BR><BR> =
Cross=20
country is two days, and my latest shipment is <BR> 235 pounds, =
14 cubic=20
feet and costs $172.00. This is<BR> with FedEx Freight. Similar=20
shipments have gone with<BR> Yellow Freight and Overnight =
Express=20
Freight, all<BR> without any damage.<BR><BR> There's a =
business=20
called Craters and Freighters for those<BR> of you who do not =
have=20
woodshop capabilities. They can<BR> build and pad a crate for =
any size=20
of equipment. <BR><BR> It's clear that UPS/FedEx Exp/USPS =
cannot=20
or will not<BR> cater to the requirements of people needing to=20
ship<BR> delicate apparatus. The competition is by =
Motor<BR> =20
Freight companies. As long as the items are packed<BR> in a =
manner=20
suitable to their environment they succeed<BR> in quality and =
timeliness=20
where others clearly drop<BR> the ball.<BR><BR> =20
Respectfully,<BR><BR> Hal Mandel<BR> W4HBM<BR> =20
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