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Re: [Amps] Alpha 87 (not 87A)

To: Gary Schafer <garyschafer@largeriver.net>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 87 (not 87A)
From: Michael Clarson <wv2zow@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 13:46:37 -0500
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Gary: This will work for other stations, but not your own. Your own
signal is likely to be too strong for this test. --Mike, WV2ZOW

On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Gary Schafer <garyschafer@largeriver.net> wrote:
> The easiest way to observe splatter is to switch your receiver to the
> opposite side band and listen for the crud.
> Intermod products are generated on both sides of the signal. By listening on
> the opposite side band you eliminate your receivers filter bandwith from
> causing you false indications.
>
> On a good clean signal you will not hear anything on the opposite side band
> from that station.
>
> 73
> Gary  K4FMX
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Amps [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jim Thomson
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:44 AM
>> To: amps@contesting.com
>> Subject: [Amps] Alpha 87 (not 87A)
>>
>> Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 15:14:43 -0500
>> From: Larry <pacer99@aol.com>
>> To: jim@audiosystemsgroup.com, amps@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 87 (not 87A)
>>
>> <jim,
>>
>>
>> <i just finished the CQ WW SSB and except for a very few stations the
>> quality of signals was good. i am using an Icom IC-7800.
>>
>>
>> <i believe that if each of us take the time to contact the offending
>> station and explain, in a polite manner that they were "spattering".
>> try to help them correct the problem. the bands would clean up rapidly.
>> every time that i do it the problem is solved and the <offending station
>> is grateful. no one wants to be rude to others. it's a friendly hobby
>> after all.
>>
>>
>> <complaining does no good.
>>
>>
>> <73,
>> <larry
>> <n7dd
>>
>> ## For folks trying to measure the total BW of an SSB  signal,  remember
>> not to inadvertantly  add the width of your RX filter...to the other
>> fellows TX bw.   IE: say you are using a 3 khw wide RX filter..and are
>> on 3800 LSB.   You will hear
>> everything from 3800...down to 3797.   Meanwhile the offending station
>> is on  3797 LSB.  Assume he is also TXing with a 3 khz filter.  On
>> paper, he should be occupying  3797...down to 3794.   You tune across
>> his signal, and you can hear
>> him from   3794....all the way up to  3800.    You tell the fellow that
>> you can hear him.. 3 down...and  3 up from his TX freq of 3797.  No the
>> fellow is not 6 khz wide,  he is only 3 khz wide.   You have added your
>> 3 khz wide RX BW  to his
>> 3 khz TX BW to arrive at the 6 khz figure.... which is incorrect.
>> That mistake is done all the time.  A better method  would be to  tune
>> across his ssb signal, using a  pair of 500 hz cw filters..... sorta
>> like  poor mans  spectrum analyzer. In actual
>>
>> practise, it works good.   Then you will hear that he is only 3 khz
>> wide.
>>
>> ##  I wouldnt put any stock in the Icom fish finders either.  They will
>> easily show a dead cxr as being 2 khz wide, and other erroneous stuff.
>> Also make sure your NB is OFF, and dont have excess RF gain applied.
>> Shut the RF rx pre-amp off, NB
>> off, and back down on the RFor IF gain control a bit..and also switch in
>> some RX padding, like  6 or 12 db.   Then use a pair of 500 hz filters
>> if using a xcvr that has switchable  RX  CW filters, or the dsp eq....
>> then carefully tune across his signal,
>> using your MAIN RX.   Meanwhile you can  simultaneously listen on 3797
>> LSB... on your SUB  RX.   Then you can correlate asap,  any splatter
>> products, while listening on your Main RX..with a pair of 500 hz cw
>> filters in left ear... while listening to him on LSB... on your right
>> ear....using the sub RX.
>>
>> Jim   VE7RF
>>
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